[Hand Banana]

I was gonna comeback and argue his points but lol nvm. Glad I'm not the onlyone who sees it.

[merciless]

Originally Posted by kuroihikari

And that's exactly what's wrong with your argument. You can't compare his strength with other captains based on their fights if they didn't fight opponents of comparable scale under the same circumstances, or if they didn't fight each other. Any "power level" indicator you get from doing that is nothing but shoddy guesswork.

drgnx covered the others in his post.

by that logic we can't really discuss anything here then can we

[Amargo Deathscythe]

Originally Posted by merciless

by that logic we can't really discuss anything here then can we

no....but people do it anyway

[Senraine13]

Well, we will never know how strong he is until we have seen enough of his fights and enough proof to test his power.. Am I right?

[ChaosMaster]

Senaraine, I love your sig, but has anyone told you about the size limit?

Back on topic, I agree with most of Merciless points.
1. Hitsugaya would have lost to Hailbel. He struggled against her before she released in his bankai mode. He had half the flowers left before he used his ultimate move, and used up his remaining reiatsu on it. It failed.
Also, Wonderwise DID NOT save Hailbel. He just declared that Aizen was tired of waiting. Barragan and Hailbel simply exit their act of defeat after that.

2. Shinsui pawned espada 1 with shikai, Hitsugaya got pawned by espada 3 with bankai. End of story. His captain strength, but that doesn't say much. Ikkaku is meant to be captain strength, I'm sure everyone one would agree that he would be a weak one. Other than in the latest movie, I haven't seen Hitsugaya use any tatics or kidou to attack, it's been Icy Dragon all the way, no variations. In other words his just like Ikkaku only instead of relying on strength, he rely's on his zan. I reckon just about any other captain could take him.

[Amargo Deathscythe]

Originally Posted by ChaosMaster

Senaraine, I love your sig, but has anyone told you about the size limit?

Back on topic, I agree with most of Merciless points.
1. Hitsugaya would have lost to Hailbel. He struggled against her before she released in his bankai mode. He had half the flowers left before he used his ultimate move, and used up his remaining reiatsu on it. It failed.
Also, Wonderwise DID NOT save Hailbel. He just declared that Aizen was tired of waiting. Barragan and Hailbel simply exit their act of defeat after that.

2. Shinsui pawned espada 1 with shikai, Hitsugaya got pawned by espada 3 with bankai. End of story. His captain strength, but that doesn't say much. Ikkaku is meant to be captain strength, I'm sure everyone one would agree that he would be a weak one. Other than in the latest movie, I haven't seen Hitsugaya use any tatics or kidou to attack, it's been Icy Dragon all the way, no variations. In other words his just like Ikkaku only instead of relying on strength, he rely's on his zan. I reckon just about any other captain could take him.

if i recall hitsgaya never got touched by harribel so saying he got pwned is exaggerated on your part . also recall that stark fought 3 capain level shinigami by himself and pwned two of them with hollow masks on. had he ued that wolf cero on shinsui theres no telling what would have happened. and also harribel would have died had all the ice flowers bloomed but wonderweiss broke her out before hand. and wonderweiss DID break her out. funny she didn't get out untill that sonic boom he let out passed her. so like i said to say she pwned hiim dispite never injuring him is exaggerated on your part

[merciless]

Originally Posted by Amargo Deathscythe

if i recall hitsgaya never got touched by harribel so saying he got pwned is exaggerated on your part . also recall that stark fought 3 capain level shinigami by himself and pwned two of them with hollow masks on. had he ued that wolf cero on shinsui theres no telling what would have happened. and also harribel would have died had all the ice flowers bloomed but wonderweiss broke her out before hand. and wonderweiss DID break her out. funny she didn't get out untill that sonic boom he let out passed her. so like i said to say she pwned hiim dispite never injuring him is exaggerated on your part

wonderweiss didnt break her out he was declaring that aizen is tired of waiting , or are you saying he broke out barragan out too? From where? HE wasnt trapped was he?, funny we see wondeerwiess yell and all the espada suddenly are shown all serious, halibel breaks out and barragan is shows as well looking mean.

No halibel didnt touch him, but it was obvious what would happen if it continued...., i mean after you use your strongest move and it dsnt harm your opponent the slightest it is obvious who is the superior....

[ChaosMaster]

Exactly my point. People are saying WonderWise saved Hailbels arse when it's not true. All he did was scream. If it was a shockwave, did you see anyways get blown away by it? The only thing that blew was teh huge arrancar behind him and all that did was blow out the flames. Barragan and Hailbel were in the same situation, end of story.

Did Hailbel hit Hitsugaya? Yes she did, her pre release sword cut right through his wings, her first attack sliced right through his image, her weak cero took out his wings as well. Don't forget that she was saving up her strength to fight Yama, even Hitsugaya confirmed it. If she had used a full power cero right there and then, he wouldn't have come out uninjured. More over, waiting for the atmosphere to condensate meant that she would have an advantage over Yama's fire attacks. Besides, what could Hitsugaya have done? His flower ran out, no more bankai, he hardly stood a chance with it, much less without. Not to meantion him + 2 VC Vizards with shikai and mask could only fight on par with her. Hailbel > Hitsugaya, don't let your inner fanboyness get over you.

[Hand Banana]

Originally Posted by ChaosMaster

Exactly my point. People are saying WonderWise saved Hailbels arse when it's not true. All he did was scream. If it was a shockwave, did you see anyways get blown away by it? The only thing that blew was teh huge arrancar behind him and all that did was blow out the flames. Barragan and Hailbel were in the same situation, end of story.

Did Hailbel hit Hitsugaya? Yes she did, her pre release sword cut right through his wings, her first attack sliced right through his image, her weak cero took out his wings as well. Don't forget that she was saving up her strength to fight Yama, even Hitsugaya confirmed it. If she had used a full power cero right there and then, he wouldn't have come out uninjured. More over, waiting for the atmosphere to condensate meant that she would have an advantage over Yama's fire attacks. Besides, what could Hitsugaya have done? His flower ran out, no more bankai, he hardly stood a chance with it, much less without. Not to meantion him + 2 VC Vizards with shikai and mask could only fight on par with her. Hailbel > Hitsugaya, don't let your inner fanboyness get over you.

Don't let your fanboy get to you. All she done to him as you put it left no scratches on him. So freaking what if she cut his wing. As long as there is mosture in the area surrounding him he can grow it back. Oh snap she split a ice clone of his in half. Zomg haxxorz!1!!1!!1elenty!!one!! She still didn't defeat him. Only thing that big tit mutt manage to do was speak out her ass twice. The first time the CC should have hust put her in place. But he let his underlings do it.

Now she had the opportunity to break the attack if she was so strong. But what happened?

Spoiler!

In three pages she got owned. Even Aizen confirmed that she and the rest of them were weak.

[E S P A D A]

To any fans of Hitsugaya no offence but he's freaking weak. All the other captains seem capable of destroying huge things without the use of their bankai, but Hitsugaya needs to use bankai on everything. He's overly dependent on his bankai, which isn't really that great either. I mean, the captain of the 1st division can incinerate everything around him by just using shikai, let alone bankai. GG for Hitsugaya.